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Date: 12/2/2008 10:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 28848
I think the mindset of a terrorist is that they are truly being a martyr for their cause, that it is honorable. I have had a few psych classes on the subject and from what I have seen, there is a group mentality, a sense of belonging to the cause and a sense of loyalty to the group. In documentaries of terrorist groups, you may have noticed the preachings/teachings and how similar they are to mind control and brain washing tactics. The leaders prey on the groups sense of obligation to the cause.  |
Date: 12/2/2008 11:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 44960
Terrorism stems from radical religious beliefs, to the terrorist, it is their ultimate brain-washing. It is the darkest side of religion and terrorist exploit it well. *Spirit*  |
Date: 12/2/2008 11:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 62798
Well.....ignorance. You being blind to reality, letting a religion or a cult or a group of people think for you. Hatred and misinformation. There are many kinds of terrorism. The Pope supports killing,torture and jailing for gay people worldwide. http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/the_vaticans_grotesque_approach_to_homosexuality Think about it. He is just as bad.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 11:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 44960
If you were to take a serious look at religion, you would find at it's very core there is a hidden element of Fear. No religion can function without Fear. If the element of Fear were ever removed from religion, it would render itself useless. *Spirit* |
Date: 12/2/2008 11:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
For what it's worth I've never heard the pope advocate murder or torture. As for the premise of the post, terrorists are created by their environment and indoctrination. I also think many of your most dedicated terrorists are nothing more than psycopaths that would be murderers or victimizers in any circumstance, they gravitate toward Jihad as their outlet. Remedy? Well dead or permanently locked up terrorists can't hurt people.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 11:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 62798
BCAR~ Did you read the article. He is against equality. He is against stopping the punishments. He may not directly say " I want them dead."...but you can NOT tell me he cares about their welfare. Nor does he care about women,for that matter. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 11:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
"The Pope supports killing,torture and jailing for gay people worldwide." Did I somehow missread that? Sorry then. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 11:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 62798
You dont get what I am saying......He supports it...just indirectly. Whether the words came out of his mouth as such or not...This is a Church who made dealings with HITLER....and they seem to not have changed much since the Middle Ages. |
Date: 12/2/2008 12:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 12806
It is actually spoken of by Jesus in John 16 . They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.3. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 12:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 62798
what does that mean? it must be out of context because it makes no sense. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 12:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 62798
Does it mean that people who kill ANOONE are not doing the right thing? |
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Date: 12/2/2008 12:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 12806
If your comment is directed at my reply, it is a prophesy of things to come |
Date: 12/2/2008 12:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 21266
Proper education.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 1:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Hitler has been dead for 64 years, I can hardly hold the Catholic church or the German people for that matter accountable for what they did to survive his reign. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 1:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 62798
BCAR...are you serious? There is no excuse. There are MANY people that survived without "negotiating" with terrorists. And I know Hitler is dead, but the point is there is nothing Holy about the Church. That is only one example among many many many. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 1:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Yes I'm serious, I do not hold the modern Catholic church or the people in it responsible for any actions real or imagined that went on between 1930's church officials and Adolf Hitler. I also do not hold the modern German people responsible for Auschwitz. I also do not hold the Religion of Islam in general responsible for 9-11. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 62798
Well the point is...even if you do exclude EVERYTHING they did...what they are doing now is still disgusting and immoral. By saying the sanctions should not be removed ..AND THOSE INCLUDE DEATH....he is supporting it. And just recently women were excommunicated for trying to move up in Church ranks. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 2:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 10657
I read the article you pointed out and I didn't exactly see where Pope Benedict stated that he supports the killing, torture, and jailing of homosexuals. These are some of his most recent words: "respect for human life, its defence from conception to natural death, the family built on marriage between a man and a woman, the freedom to educate one’s children, and the promotion of the common good in all its forms.” This is taken from the catholic church website. Also, Pope Benedict states that these values are not negotiable. I as a catholic do not agree with all of the above but, I certainly agree with more respect for human life and freedom to educate my children. I don't see you saying well, he thinks all women whom have abortions should be put to death. Does he think that absolutely not. His words are open for interpretation by all. Would you say the same of Pope John Paul whom, advocated for equality of all? It is this Papacy's postion that marriage should be between a man and woman. Spain which, is predominately Roman Catholic has made Gay marriage legal while, Italy where our Pope resides is divided. All words are open for interpretation however, claiming that catholics are in essence also, terrorists is a false interpretation imho.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 2:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 51876
Any souce of Power becomes corrupted in the hands of Evil people.The Catholic church fights amoung themselves because the institution is too large.It is literally a Kingship.Anything that elevates a human being to disassociate themselves from others and are seduced by the words of men with decieving tounges that fill their every thought with primal needs of obedience, uncorruptability and Power to join Eternity. The JamesTown incident, the Hale Bopp Coment Cult and anyone who is desperate enough for attention and not to feel alone.Gangs use the same approach, as do African Rebels brainwashing children into their armies.There are certain groups that take control of the religous,economical andeducational needs of the people around them.They end up trapping these people into situations of No Choices....Do you think a gang member ever gets out of the Gang, Sometimes but it takes intervention by authorities.there are only 2 sides within a Prison: Guards and Inmates.When your neighborhood turns into a prison, guess who is at the door, Mr Terrorist recruiter.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 2:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 51876
So basically, Escape the Prison planet and get over the constraints of Dogmatic Practices such as Monothesism. |
Date: 12/2/2008 2:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 33401
seriously I've been thinking about this for a while... the world needs to change it's currency to hugs. It would be a better place! Love,  |
Date: 12/2/2008 4:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
The fact that probably terrorists don't see there victims as humans as such. We kill cows and even though they are a living thing we don't think about that when we are eating a nice juicy delectable steak. mmmmmmmm steak. These people don't see people who aren't like them as human. They are collateral damage if they are ther own type and animals if they are their enemies. Maybe this is a reason.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
purple roses, raybones quote their simply reads as, if someone comes and kills in my name(god) then they truly don't know who I am for I don't condone that type of behaviour. That is it in a very short nutshell. I think it makes perfect sense for the arguments that have been put down in this post. |
Date: 12/2/2008 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
I say it's all about religion & control. People can't see what they do when they are so filled with lies & hate.  |
Date: 12/2/2008 6:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Ignorance and manipulation by authority figures and religion. Release Me hit the nail on the head.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 6:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
As for the Pope, his position is either morally reprehensible or pitifully ignorant depending on whether or not he sees the fallacious logic behind the argument that a non-binding resolution calling for homosexuality to be decriminalised would lead to legalising gay marriage. |
Date: 12/2/2008 7:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 7830
honestly, I have no idea. I dont understand and never will. i dont know what causes it, besides total lack of concious, so I dont know what will eliminate it.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 7:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 62798
Some people get it, some people are so blinded by their faith/prejudice. Thanks to those who get it. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 8:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 10657
Since, this is a discussion and not a debate I'm really not going to debate the Catholic religion. Terrorism or acts of Terrorisms can be found in any religious grouping be it Catholic or what have you. However, I will say this if, the comment was directed towards my interpretation of Pope Bendict: I'm not prejudice nor am I blinded by my faith. I don't believe I said I agreed with everything that the current papacy has said either? Are you Catholic? Do you know all Catholics or presume to know all Catholics? |
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Date: 12/2/2008 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 62579
Those people are full of hate and Islam does not permit the killing of innocent. From my study they are only allowed to kill during a war started by someone else for protection. If they die in that war they will be a martyr. Here are just some of the ways a Muslim can be a Martyr: he who dies from a stomach disease is a martyr he who dies of drowning is a martyr he who is killed protecting his family is a martyr he who is killed while defending himself is a martyr This is from an Imam which is a main teacher in the mosque. Even in times of war, Muslims must respect their adversaries’ humanity. Brutal and barbaric atrocities are prohibited in Islam. Islam condemns barbaric killing of any human being. During military actions, civilians must not be targeted, as long as they do not attack, provoke or share directly in the war. Enemies, even at time of war, must be treated justly. Prisoners of war have basic human rights, stated in shari`aH. If victory is achieved in any war for justice, then there is to be no oppression, revenge or injustice to the people of the enemy. Nor must there be control over the sources of the wealth of the nation or people, or even establishment of colonial regimes. Justice and freedom must be established. Tolerance towards cultures and peoples is basic, too. The meaning the media gives to this word (jihad) is false. This word does not mean a holy war, for there is nothing holy about a war in Islam. Islam is a religion that revolves around the concept of peace. jihid means to strive for something. The last few centuries witnessed many wars; the American war of Independence, the Crimean War, the Boer War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Cold War, Bosnia, Iran/Iraq, Gulf War etc. Were they fought by people who didn’t believe in a cause - at all? I hope this clears up any questions one may have.  |
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Date: 12/3/2008 5:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Some people don't get it because they have a very narrow agenda or "cause" if you will. Demonizing an entire religion or group of people somehow makes sense in their narrow minded world. It's the epitome of predjudice actually, yet these narrow minded souls would be the first to tell you how open minded they are. |
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Date: 12/3/2008 6:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
BCAR is so right. Jealousy (my use here is with the definition, "intolerant of rivalry"  is the cause of physical terrorism, intellectual terrorism, emotional terrorism -- ALL of which are alive and well here and around the world.God Bless.  |
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Date: 12/3/2008 7:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 62798
BCAR~ If you mean me.....you are wrong. I do not like the Pope because of what he preaches. That does not make me narrow-minded. It makes me intelligent. Does it make more sense to follow someone you disagree with because you don't want to think for yourself? And of COURSE it i not only Catholics causing problems. IGNORANCE causes problems. Blind obedience, lack of education, and extremism are a very bad combination. |
Date: 12/3/2008 10:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
I miss Thinker  |
Date: 12/3/2008 10:32:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63194
Haha DP, this post would have 600 comments instead of 35  |
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Date: 12/3/2008 11:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
And lots of capital letters. |
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Date: 12/3/2008 11:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 62798
nothing else to say? you know i am right. I never said all catholics were the problem. the pope is a bad and irresponsible role model in my opinion. |
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Date: 12/3/2008 12:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Plenty to say just not interested in pointing out the obvious. Hugglies and rainbows aside there are all kinds of predjudice and generalizations and judgements going on. Just because someone considers themselves on the politically correct side of the coin isn't an assurance that they are open minded. |
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Date: 12/3/2008 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 62798
in my personal opinion, religion is like alcohol. It brings out your true nature. But you don't need religion to be a terrorist.. I resent your implications that I am narrow minded, however. I am not trying to be PC, I am being honest. You are twisting or misinterpreting my writings and making things appear that were not my intention and then using those to besmirch me, which is not appropriate. I am not the person you are painting me to be... I am a caring person, I am intelligent, I am educated. I have my own mind, unlike most people who relinquish theirs to authority figures. |
Date: 12/3/2008 12:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Extremists of any kind are bad news. Period.  |
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Date: 12/3/2008 12:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 62798
You are very right, Ali. |
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