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Date: 12/2/2008 8:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 62579
They should use paper bags at least they are better than plastic.  |
Date: 12/2/2008 8:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 64197
Our walmart here charges $1 a cloth/mesh bag. I agree, we shouldn't have to pay to bag our groceries and take them home. And those bags just don't seem to hold what a plastic or paper bag can, not enough room, imo. Maybe they will let me bring in my own boxes to put my stuff in, I can get more stuff into a box than a bag AND I am recycling too!  |
Date: 12/2/2008 9:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
People would probably treat the cloth bags just like the plastic bags if they were free. The cost encourages them to conserve.  |
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Date: 12/2/2008 9:54:00 PM ( Admin )
The State should negotiate with the grocery industry to create a recyclable plastic bags. They should have done this a long time ago and not only for bags. Half hearted effort, implemented in the wrong way. Our Government at work. Just make a law and then see what happens. |
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Date: 12/2/2008 9:58:00 PM ( Admin )
Not only is this stupid but think about it for a minute. If you own the bag before you enter the store they can't search it when you leave. So they are opening up themselves for more theft. Walk in with a full bag of something. Walk around for 10 minutes.. Then try to leave with that full bag.. They can't search the bag before you go in. They can't search the bag before you leave. They can't stop you from shopping with a full bag. Sure they have this same problem to day but now everyone will have an extra bag to carry around in the store... One they can't look in. What a dumb solution to a much larger problem. |
Date: 12/2/2008 10:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 20750
I sooooooooo agree George!  |
Date: 12/2/2008 10:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
a few stores have gotten rid of traditional plastic bags here.. some have replaced them with a biodegradable plastic bag(made from veggie oil) and one doesn't carry bags at all and it's up to the consumer to either bring thier own bag or use no bag at all...and i do agree with mollycat it's trying to teach people to reduce and reuse.. if the cloth bags were free people will treat them as disposable, have tons of them at home, and then there are those freebie hunters who will collect hundreds of them just ebcause they are free  |
Date: 12/3/2008 12:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
I agree with the use of and the charges associated with cloth bags. That said, Mollycat hit it on the head. The stores are doing enough by making products available for me to purchase. Why should it be their responsibility to make sure I, the consumer (and end user OF the bags) do so in a way that would satisfy the green movement? They should not. I should. So, charge me the 2 bucks for the bag and I am far more likely to bring it back with me.  |
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Date: 12/3/2008 2:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 51876
It's all about community.The Government is not responsible fro everything.We tend to think so but solutions are achieved on the local level.Such as this....Here in Fort Worth, Tx we have recycling pickup just like garbage but in all the smaller cities in Tarrant County, they do not.I have a friend who would seperate their trash but have to make a concerted effort to go out of their way to do so. I have the Cloth bags and end up forgetting them everytime, even when I put them in the car!At Walmart they have a recycle bin for the bags (or last time I saw)....It's just if you get a lot of groceries, you'll have to have 10 or more of those bags.I think Recycling is the Best Way to resolve the situation.II have worked out at the Poly-America Plastics plant once and saw how they can melt every bit of trash plastic and turn them into the universal plastic pellets and then make new products.They literally have trailerloads full of the stuff.  |
Date: 12/3/2008 2:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 13297
Well Moonie, they could be like a lot of places in Europe where they don't supply you a bag at all. They figure it's YOUR responsibility to figure out how to get the products home. They also offer bags here - some are cloth and some are plasticised material (not sure exactly what material used is). Here they are 99 euro cent a piece so not too bad. I have tonnes of them - a few for every store. Some stores still give out plastic bags for free but I choose not to use them for the environment. On the rare chance I do - I try to reuse them somehow. As for why they won't just give out the cloth ones - it takes money to produce those bags. People as a habit are forgetful or lazy and would not always remember to bring their bag and so would take a new one each time. Those cloth bags are much more expensive to produce than the plastic or paper ones and that would cut into their profit. If they can quit offering the plastic/paper bags and get consumers to BUY the cloth bags they've turned a cost associated with doing business into a profit (one more product to sell). It stinks but just keep the bags in the trunk of the car so you don't have to buy more in the future and try to take good care of them. It's possible that your initial investment will go along way. Besides - you're green and organic and this should make you happy that you can do something good for the environment. I think it's the whole - ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure theory and they're asking us as citizens to do our part to make responsible choices also. I don't have a problem with it but maybe I'm just getting a little too Europeanized after having been over here for a few years total...  |
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Date: 12/3/2008 2:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 13297
I should also add people here in France have "Caddys" or little buggy things. I have one and it's super handy. You usually leave it at the front of your little market (I know this concept would never work at the super walmart but it doesn't at Carrefour {the equivalent} here either). I take my plastic bags with me and I still have to use the basket/cart provided for the shopping portion. You just use the store provided bag when you are at the checkout - so basically the same concept as the current one. They can and do ask for a receipt for the purchase if they have reason to suspect you haven't paid for your goods... I think it's just a change in concept that will take time for Americans to accept and personally I think it is a concept that is long overdue. They have been doing this in Europe for years and doing it successfully. We (as Americans) could learn a little bit about living in a more socially responsible manner from them. It sounds like we are starting to. I know I am not taking the popular opinion here but I do believe honestly that it's a good idea overall. Like all things, people will get used to it and accept it after time and then forget what it was like before... |
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Date: 12/3/2008 2:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 13297
sorry on my last comment when I say "I take my plastic bags with me" I mean the plasticised reusable bags not traditional "throw-away" plastic bags. sorry for any confusion... |
Date: 12/3/2008 5:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 28848
Aldis already charges for both paper and plastic bags. They also sell the cloth bags for $2 I think. I keep meaning to buy the cloth ones.  |
Date: 12/3/2008 5:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 64365
Moonie, I agree. However, the supply exists because the public continues to supply the demand. It's something we ALL should be responsible for. To get the huge corporations to do something about this entails the public cutting off the demand for supply, if that makes any sense. Plastic has become consumer choice because of various good reasons, however it's like cutting off the nose to spite the face. If people would learn to use shopping bags rather than depending on the stores to provide the bags, there wouldn't be so much of a problem. All stores should dispense with providing any bags whatsoever. That way consumers would be forced to provide their own means of carrying their groceries, and right there about 50 percent of the problem would be solved. Warehouse grocers like Sams make the consumer find their own boxes to carry items...if they didn't provide those boxes, consumers would have to provide their own means. Ya gotta train people in the way they should go. If it's too convenient to just use the bags the stores provide nothing will ever get solved. People will be proned to forgetting their own means of carrying goods. If someone does forget, the stores could provide a cheap alternative, like the bags they have to purchase that can be used again and again. pretty soon, consumers will remember to take their own bags. That's the only way of solving it I can see.  |
Date: 12/3/2008 12:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 57452
I do all of my shopping for groceries online only. However, if I actually walked into a grocery store to shop, I would bring my trusty reusable cotton bag. I am sorry you are frustrated.  |
Date: 12/3/2008 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 21903
Well, I can see why it is up to us to buy the bags, however it is kinda a crock. I for one do want to help the environment and really need to purchase some bags of my own (unless they let me take in some tote bags I already own? I might try it!). I do wanna help the planet, but you are right: they should stop SUPPLYING plastic bags. I say we go back to paper and simply recycle (f we don't own cloth bags). But thats me.  |
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Date: 12/3/2008 2:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 21903
lol, good poing George! |
Date: 12/4/2008 8:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
I grocery shop at Aldi's and their cloth bags were a $1 each...I have quite a few of them and think they are a good idea, in paying for them I will use them again and again..the whole area I live in has a ban of plastic bags...I like to think I'm doing my bit to help with the enviroment...  |
Date: 12/4/2008 9:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 64123
Our stores here implemented cloth bags a few months back and during that time many of the stores offered free cloth bags for a limited time which was very good of them. I don't believe its their responsibility and the environmental problems we face now are largely our own faults so why should we not pay for it now. If I could only remember my cloth bags when I went shopping, I'd be much happier lol.  |
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Date: 12/5/2008 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 33286
high density polyethylene is non toxic, the same material that makes the bags is used for many pill bottles, the amount of this plastic in the bag is just a fraction of what is used in one pill bottle... it is ALL recyclable... why is nobody complaining about pill bottles? so, um, what do you think your garbage bags are made from? lol truth is there is a new kind of plastic bag that biodegrades within just a few years, stores could be forced to go with that, or better yet, go back to using paper, a renewable resource.  |
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Date: 12/15/2008 4:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 21903
so I got to thinking about this when I saw a powerpoint sent to me in an e-mail about plastic bags. Very interesting. More funny: I ended up having a dream about obsessively picking up plastic bags on the ground 2 days later! so funny; but the powerpoint was very interesting. Let me know if you want to see it. |
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